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ChicagoAnimal wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:30 pm I am surprised I have not read anyone mention Ashley C's Drift album on Freak Animal. It is a remarkably low-key album, almost pitch-black, cold, flowing, almost floating noise release. If you want to turn your evening living room into barren dead-zone, turn this album on. I have always thought that if Atrax Morgue/Slaughter stuff is the interior barren landscape, Ashley C's Drift is like the exteriority of that.
Excellent album and very well put. I absolutely love that phrase, turns your living into a barren dead-zone.
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oZiris wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 2:57 am It's like one year everything is shut down and you're just sitting around reading and skipping out on your gestapo therapy appt. And the next thing you know you're entangled in a familiar soul sucking emotional web for a year straight, and when you realize it.. like you had a few times before. you ask yourself, where did all the time go?
adult human wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:53 am half finished TINGS in the attic of a dead relative whose house you have to clear out. Zero explanation as to how or why they got there or what it was meant to be.
Like a 4chan JOKE that never ends. 2 years ago everyone i knew (in my community) was all about defund the police & allocate community resources. And all i hear by promoters today is Fight the Climate Crisis or Fuck Planet Earth. How many school shootings in a year till we’re actually in the dark ages? Tucker. Elon. Greg Abbott. Oh fuck, there i go again chatbot. #AmericanProblems Feeding those message board trolls who don’t give a fuck about noise IRL unless you’re buying vinyl or consuming thier verified ad revinue content. In so many ways; I'd rather just go to a show every other week and consider those people "my Community". But alt-right chatGpt bot seems like such an avid noise enthusiast! I could speak binary with they all day long.

Neway, i suggest tending to your own crops. Keep promoting tat throw away tribalism tape hustle dog. Crony Capitalism is so god damn truf. It does become an oxymoron within the community when some members truly try to elevate or further a medium within the subculture in comparison to apposing community members that flaunt their own lack of ethics, creativity, and inspiration. But like if all the people you grew up with are still playing grunge, then really what’s the difference Right? Plenty of 20 year olds still play grunge Right? Like that rockguitarhero tribute game.

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As your friend IRL, I am intrigued by this post but have no idea what you mean by it - I get pieces here and there - and how it applies to the thread.

Are you talking about elitism/shallow consumerism within the structure of distributing noise releases intended for home listening?
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Riverbed Chemicals by Toanche Dwelling seems to fit the bill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNT9ojHUg4I
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murmur wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 10:50 am Riverbed Chemicals by Toanche Dwelling seems to fit the bill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNT9ojHUg4I
I’d expand that out to include everything I’ve heard from the project
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Fantastic topic that actually made me to sign up; this is something that is, albeit rather vaguely-articulated, on my mind for some time and what I’m finding oddly fascinating.

As of the definition, it can be tied to numerous thing and the interpretation is, as always, very subjective; but I see it as a combination of aesthetics, means of recording, the overall sound and approach (to all of the above).

I’ve always considered that the domestic feel comes from the approach of home recording which directly ties to using household objects, the inherent lo-finess of the recording itself, the everpresent sounds of the surroundings (you can call it sort of mise-en-scene of the recording) : usually the floor, chairs, outside noise etc., sometimes more present, at other times just barely there, maybe all imagined; more or less obsolete technology, as if found in the attic, or inherited; detritus and debris of found sounds (old answering machines bought at flea markets or found laying around); fried circuitry, overblown tapes, moisture seeping in.
It’s this weird mixture of noise, musique concrete, sound collage and diy approach; often with this acknowledged amateurism/dilettantism edge to it, which makes it just so more reliable.

TVE, T.D. are very nice examples – didn’t have the chance to listen to Robert Fuchs stuff. The original post is mentioning Dressing, and I’d say that especially the first two tapes/CD comp do fit the bill, even though the approach to sound is very different to those mentioned earlier. I’m little bit surprised there’s no mentiong of Darksmith (but he’s been release on Regional bears so that may counts, heh) – that would be some of prime examples.
UVC, J.S. Hogan,YÜ//F, some of the Kevin Drumm (like that Earrach stuff, but there’s much more), some aspects of what Grisha Shakhnes does (even though not that noisy), possibly some Grant Evans recordings, yol, all of those microcassette abusers.
It strangely reminds of some old Wolf Eyes recordings, can’t say which exactly now, it’s been a while since I’ve been listening to those. Yet, there’s this basement lo-fi crud.

For me it strangely represents the mundanity of everyday life and the melancholy, anxiety and dread inherently contained in all of the small life happening all the time, everywhere.

I surely had some plan to say something more significant but it somehow ended up like mess... //sorry for any typos//
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khml wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:41 am It strangely reminds of some old Wolf Eyes recordings, can’t say which exactly now, it’s been a while since I’ve been listening to those. Yet, there’s this basement lo-fi crud.
I’m not super familiar with Wolf Eyes, but one release that definitely fits in this vein is Sept 3, which I love.
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Whenever I see this thread I think of my parents fighting.
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murmur wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:16 pm I’m not super familiar with Wolf Eyes, but one release that definitely fits in this vein is Sept 3, which I love.
I don't know the one you mention - have to check it. Kind of fell off with Wolf eyes in between 2010 and 2012 and never really caught up after that.
I vaguely remember that I got my hands on stuff like Human Slaughterhouse Demos, Strangulation Tank, Strangle rations and some other stuff from around these times; don't have these with me anymore but I have this sort-of memory about what it sounded like - it's all mashed together: crude electronics, strange loops, lo-fi sounds for which is hard to decipher what's their source.

luciferjonez wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:50 pm Whenever I see this thread I think of my parents fighting.
Even though unpleasant, I think this might be somewhat integral to whole idea, at least it somehow ties with unconsciousness of suburbia.
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luciferjonez wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:50 pm Whenever I see this thread I think of my parents fighting.
The Humectant Interruption & Crank Sturgeon collab tape on Spite from 1998(?) has sounds of Joel's (Humectant) parents arguing. That and lots of radio buzz. Superb noise tape which kinda qualifies for this thread.
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Capers wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:25 am
luciferjonez wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:50 pm Whenever I see this thread I think of my parents fighting.
The Humectant Interruption & Crank Sturgeon collab tape on Spite from 1998(?) has sounds of Joel's (Humectant) parents arguing. That and lots of radio buzz. Superb noise tape which kinda qualifies for this thread.
There’s a Coits album that has similar going on too, I believe.

And how about the classic “I DON’T WANNA GO TO THE LIBRARY!” on that Controlled Bleedinh album?!
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I think it's safe to say, Paul never did give a flying fuck*.

Asshole was home before...

I'm tense!


* the semi apology in the liner notes is quite sweet tho
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If i understand everything right I think maybe you should check out group ONGAKU (music of group ONGAKU LP, Seer sound archive). Recorded 1960. Weird improv and recorded in different rooms in a house with household objects etc. Check (Automatism).
And the Shots-Private hate LP (Careful Caralog). Graham Lambkin and many KYE releases comes to mind. Maybe some Darksmith releases? The list is long but this thread is kind of disorienting for me and that is also my English.
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Also many artists and pieces from the Fluxus movement from the 60’s and foreword will fit in on some of your descriptions.
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Mattias Gustafsson wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:54 pm Shots-Private hate LP
Graham Lambkin and many KYE releases comes to mind. Maybe some Darksmith releases?

All very correct. The Shots LP is insane in its (brilliant) understated boringness. Like a single field recording but, I'd guess, made from a bunch of different contributions.

Lambkin is kind of ground zero for me on almost everything I love, which includes utterly perfect placement of ordinary, domestic intrusions into otherwise quite lush or conceptually driven recordings. A lot of his stuff feels like it is recorded in a certain space too. Ideal.

Someone earlier mentioned Darksmith. It's a good call. I'd say his work strives for a pretty straight up take on concrete/sound collage but it certainly comes with its own very obscure kind of home made quality.
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Tom Cox / TAC has recently resurfaced, privately releasing two archival works this year. Here is an upload of part of his 6x C100 box set, “Next”, originally released by A4’s Suitcase label in the 1990s.



For further listening, I suggest “Objects”, in which different domestic setups* are used to make noise, each preceded by a spoken introduction by Tom.

*Choice titles include “Brick On Concrete, Leaves” “Roll Of Masking Tape”, “Carpet”, and “Freezer”.
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Tribe Tapes wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:35 pm Here is an upload of part of his 6x C100 box set, “Next”, originally released by A4’s Suitcase label in the 1990s.

Still quite possibly my favorite sound thing ever recorded bar none
For further listening, I suggest “Objects”, in which different domestic setups* are used to make noise, each preceded by a spoken introduction by Tom.
Tell me he's played live. I like the idear of a rapt body of fans yelling out requests:

Roll Of Masking Tape!

Paper Bag!


Fuck, dude, Linoleum Tiles!!
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Joie de la Blumpy wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:47 am Tell me he's played live. I like the idear of a rapt body of fans yelling out requests:

Roll Of Masking Tape!

Paper Bag!


Fuck, dude, Linoleum Tiles!!
Good you mentioned it. Here is a videoclip of a collaborative performance between TAC, All Fours, and Kapotte Muziek (released on CD as part of the Materialsrecoveryfacility compilation)



Sadly omitted our track of choice, but rabid fans still call for it at every other noise show.
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Kinda late to this thread.


I would be willing to discuss where TVE came from with someone further. Its something Ive been building since I was a kid.

I like how someone finally mentioned fluxus because noise is hardly anti-art and most of the time is way more beautiful than brutal. I'd like to add that New England has a deep improv scene that some people would call Lowercase and it can be stuffy. But Ive been seeing people like Crank play for like 20 years and I started listing peoples instruments as "personal effects" on flyers which I think is relevant.

Im not too hyped on organizing and dating noise but I am into people's enthusiasm. I do a series called "Another Domestic Scene" so if anyone wants to flush this idea out with me I would be willing. I have liked some of the explanations here.

One not so obvious influence is Sublime Frequencies including their regional radio albums and albums like Leaf Music and Drunks. Other projects are Jeph Jarman/Hands To, P16D4, Lieutenant Caramel, Blood Stereo, S-Core and Small Cruel Party.

A playlist or a comp would be sick.
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TVE wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:05 am Kinda late to this thread.
It was always waiting for you. TVE fits this exactly.
adult human wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 5:21 pm Anna Lerchbaumer's Love, Lullabies & Sleeplessness might be a bit more on the nose in its domesticity as it's very plainly made of ultra mundane recordings gathered, I'd guess, from the day to day of raising a child and running a home. Still, it has been in my head since this thread began https://eminentobserver.bandcamp.com/al ... eplessness
Thanks for mentioning! Another EO tape that might fit is Ruda Vera's Angles Morts, that and the Lerchbaumer might be my favorite things I've put out.

Surprised no one has mentioned any of the Vitrine catalog, specifically the 010001111000 tape. Everything else from that project is also gold.

Seconding/thirding UVC, Philly recluse label Born Physical Form is a favorite of mine that's run by him (the other aliases may or may not all also be him), hasn't missed yet. On BPF some highlights are Winston 1, Bill Lewis Medicine Cabinet, and Microphone Crumb. Best UVC material outside of BPF to my ears is either Wisdom from the Zoo (Hologram) or Broken Phonemes of the Unconsciousness Grid (Regional Bears).

Other odds and ends I love: Alyssa Festa s/t (A R C H I V E), Dwayne Rifle s/t (White Reeves), John Collins McCormick There Never Was an Underground (self-released), Olympia Creative Music Concern (Music for People), S27E152 A.D.T.F. (Minimal Impact).
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this thread is really interesting. not much to add, but my immediate thought upon reading thru was the movie Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles, which of course got a lot of critical attention after topping the Sight & Sound poll two years ago, but which takes the representation of domesticity in film to a real extreme. great film!

something which explores a similar idea - the familiar sound of chores, daily rituals, errands, all the things required for the maintenance of life - but from a noise perspective would be neat, conceptually, i think. i'm sure it's been done by someone already, in various different ways, but just a thing i was thinking over!
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James Thompson wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:18 pm something which explores a similar idea - the familiar sound of chores, daily rituals, errands, all the things required for the maintenance of life - but from a noise perspective would be neat, conceptually, i think.
This brought Ukeles’s manifesto to mind:

https://queensmuseum.org/wp-content/upl ... t-1969.pdf
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Having come relatively late to seriously trying to expand my film viewing and having also been ruined by noise/sound art, one of my big takeaways from this film was that I'd quite happily just have listened to it. I suppose in the nature of a radioplay. However there'd be little to the 'domesticity' that meant too much to me if I did this, I think. I'd be coming at it from a purely timbral and sound arrangement place - tones, textures, hissing silences, noises and punctuations of speech. Which makes me feel like I've lost the grip all over again on what this 'domestic noise' feeling really is. Despite my championing of something like that Lerchbaumer tape I generally think we've had enough instances of John Cage or someone making sounds out of cooking. Music arguably peaked when Hans Krusi recorded himself sawing and humming along to the radio.

So I want to drill further (since the topic is pleasingly active again) into where this domesticity is, or perhaps, is not despite seeming to be. I completely understand it in something like that (phenomenal) Ruda Vera tape, but I think it is only because it sounds very lofi and home made. And is this not a natural and unavoidable consequence of so much of 'our' music? Make what you can with what you've got? If so, domesticity is a by product that could easily not have been produced were only a few components altered. I wonder if Ruda Vera operated on the basis of All tracks recorded at home directly into a computer. Some mixing, some effects, some second chances but still used precisely the same source sounds and maintained the artist's ear - would we be thinking of it in these domestic terms? Is there something to it outside of its actual methodology that gives it a domestic feel? If so at what point are we really saying that 'domestic' = 'air moving from a speaker, across a small space, into a microphone'. Similar might be asked of our friend TVE, whose shit might sound really different if even just a few of the boring technological components were different? Perhaps he'll be happy to elucidate cus I dunno.

All of this is to say I reckon it's fine and dandy if stuff like room sound and, I guess, slightly cheap and homespun recording quality is what = a core part of our domesticity, but I'd like to know that this is what we mean for fear of ending up only (or too much) with 'hey guys, this album was made with NORMAL SOUNDS FROM AROUND MY HOUSE'. I love plenty of that shit but I get it and so do you. Personally, with everything we've talked about as an example so far I think there's way more going on, even when those elements are key. As a small aside, lazy writing about music like this (in the rare instances it occurs*) almost always limits itself to the assessment that 'the artist is using their own life and space AS THE COMPONENTS OF THEIR ART IN A DIARISTIC FASHION :O :O' which I think is a bit like analysing Derek Bailey's guitar playing as 'unconventional' then moving on to the next review. The far more interesting things to think about in all this are the effects these choices produce and in what ways an artist is able to cajole them into something stimulating. What was intended, what was an accident? What is the balance between how and why methodologies are selected and how much of it comes from the ears and visions of the artist. What do we suppose, say, Lettera 22 are getting at when they employ it on 'Salvado' vs say, Good Area on 'Macbeth'. etc etc.

I'm also hesitant to lean too much into any descriptive term like 'domestic noise' for fear of contributing to a codification of style and approach. I'll listen to an album a day by someone who happens to operate in this fashion and drool over it, yet I suspect anything produced from the intent to be Domestic Noise ™ will not really do the business.

*by which I don't mean on a grassroots, community level like here but idk on Bandcamp daily or an artist bio in the Wire. Sorry.
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I think I know what you mean, or asking for, but might be completely missing the point/getting lost in the overthinking.

Don't think the 'domestic noise' does inherently have to be recorded at home (more so capture of the room recordings from some small speakers) - that is, in my opinion, just one of the symptoms (or whatever you want to call it).This further stemming from that it usually is the sole mean of getting the recording (i.e. what the person recording it can afford). It can be easily recorded to the computer, digital recorder etc, as well as outside, in a garage or wherever situation affords.

I think (but as I'm trying to formulate this, it doesn't seem to be getting in any sort of definition, apologies beforehand) it has to come from the 'need' to produce some kind of music/sound diary/personal notes/whatever while ignoring, disregarding or just avoiding traditional approaches for creating music. Might be that the best examples of domestic noise are coming from people completely outside the whole genre who are just doing something that might help them, or make them feel better, or just out of boredom. Sort of art brut music equivalents, pure outsider music, sound diaries of people suffering from outter as well as inner issues. The recent Selected Tape Works by Mark Moreland on Tribe tapes come to mind.

The other thing that's bugging me: this 'domestic noise' has to have something in common in everyday anxiety, boredom of everyday life, mundanity of suburbia, angst of dayjob being the same thing over and over; and subsequently there has to be (has to, right?) certain means how to (try) dealing with it. Maybe just by trying to expose it in the form of crude sound recording. But it might take some other form as well.

Of course, there will be plenty of those doing this kind of domestic noise (or rather trying to do so) intentionally and then it's the question of talent, luck and other circumstances. Often the intentionality might rather ruin the result.

Really becoming unsure if I'm even getting somewhere.
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khml wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 3:54 pm I think I know what you mean, or asking for, but might be completely missing the point/getting lost in the overthinking.



Really becoming unsure if I'm even getting somewhere.
You know what? This is all I'm doing. Getting circular and caught up in all the intellectual arguments. Pointless really! It's enough to just say that whatever qualities make an album feel 'domestic' are not fixed and can be true of one thing and not another. It's more fun and useful to talk about work where these things feel to be in effect and share good recordings.

I think you mentioned Grisha Shakhnes earlier? I can't remember which release it was of his. Either something on More Mars or Emminent Observer. But when I initially wrote that up for my distro list I believe I made note of how a combination of spatial sounds mixed with audio that appeared to just be coming out of a tape player made for a very effective piece. The sound felt pretty sprawling, yet you had the image of the man sat at his desk making it happen in real time by lamp light.

Mr. Nystrand wrote kind things about the new Shadow Pattern 2xCD set released on adhuman recently with explicit mention of this thread and the project's domestic qualities:
Capers wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:38 pm Tape is the method, and bells (the bells!!! His use of little bells - or whatever it is - would have been enough for me to buy this), garbage, domestic machinery and percussion, voice and instruments comprise the tools. But fuck what's being used, who gives a damn. These are pieces that seem born out of curiosity just as much as from boredom, if that makes sense. An intuitive flow to it all. Hands and knobs move slowly by their own will, it seems, with no apparent audience in mind.
That point about creation from curiosity and boredom is spot on for me. It's not only why I love the project but also a great component for this discussion. Whilst there's compositional prowess, technique and, if you like, 'skill' involved with Shadow Pattern it really feels like what we hear are extracts of a process which is taking place for him on a very regular basis. Get home, switch the stuff on, jam. Try new things, record them. Figure out how to present it all later. No agenda, just play and experiment. Who gives a fuck etc. That the 2xCD set collects and reissues loads of micro edition tape releases of recent years is another testament to this approach. Shockingly, a piece from the album has been picked up by Vogue (Czechoslovakia) and features in a dumb Instagram reel that has been viewed some 51,000 times. Is this the most widespread use of a work of domestic noise yet?!
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adult human wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:04 pm would we be thinking of it in these domestic terms? Is there something to it outside of its actual methodology that gives it a domestic feel?
Your analysis is interesting and incisive but I don't think it has to be that specific here? The thread just seems to be about a general vibe/aesthetic and they just picked "domestic" as a sort-of-representative descriptor. In a deeper critical context I think specificity would be useful, but that's true of anything. I don't think we risk a "codification of style and approach" if we're just recommending stuff that kind of sounds like other stuff and trying to trace out some commonalities across different scenes or eras.

But to follow your thoughts about purposeful terminology, maybe "outsider" is another word, but that too suffers from an uncertainty of whether the quality is innate or superficial. In my reviews I often use ones like "homespun," "low-stakes," "hermitic," etc.
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