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Scream & Writhe wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:25 pm Brown packing tape. How am I supposed to find the seams of the package when I'm trying to safely cut it open?

Also, bubble wrap taped with anything other than scotch tape.

And packing tape affixed to plastic record sleeves.
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it's probably so niche in noise that no-one cares, but no-one has said "when more people found out about XYZ". haha weird.
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What the Fuck...I had a whole rant typed out and had to re-login.
SHIT.
That's something that I dislike.

Here's a good one:
'so it's like EDM?'
No damn it no its not like EDM
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RUBBISH wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:11 pmHere's a good one:
'so it's like EDM?'
No damn it no its not like EDM
It's mostly amusing at this point as it's been a question people have consistently asked from the very beginning (This is probably true for most of us), but: "Hey, have you ever thought about adding beats to your noise???"
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Bubble-Congeries wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:46 pm
RUBBISH wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:11 pmHere's a good one:
'so it's like EDM?'
No damn it no its not like EDM
It's mostly amusing at this point as it's been a question people have consistently asked from the very beginning (This is probably true for most of us), but: "Hey, have you ever thought about adding beats to your noise???"

yes sure I have...That's industrial.
Oh like Ministry or NiN?
No I mean kinda but no not really.
...and then you mention Throbbing Gristle and some of the stuff they did and the conversation goes off the rails.
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I suppose the greatest turn-off for me is rehashing the same ideas/themes. I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I see a new release with edgy themes/gore/paraphilias. That's just my perspective, but images which seemed transgressive 40 years ago don't really cut it these days; so many people are desensitized to extreme content because of the wealth of disturbing material freely available online that it is now part of the mainstream rather than underground. On top of that, chasing extremity in art is a dead-end street.
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^ Yeah, I agree.

Like most ladies (I'm being self-deprecating here; I'm a guy), I'm really into true crime. Investigation Discovery all day long. There's a lot of talk from different perspectives about how true crime is in some way problematic ("informative murder porn" and all that). There are so many varied arguments against it. I can understand all of them, even agree with some. But I don't really care. I still enjoy true crime.

I think producing art as an extension of a fascination/interest/hobby/disturbance/angst/anxieties is a perfectly acceptable outlet. But people who can't stay in their lanes and try to tap into something as a way of shocking people or making oneself seem more powerful than they really are is insecure shrimp-dick psychology par excellence. Typical malignant narcissism. It's just people desperate not to pin something--some uncertain, confusing feeling deep inside--down and cut it up into little pieces and to hopefully conquer it, but to get a blurb written about them in Rolling Stone, or whatever the modern equivalent of that is on social media right now.

I have often joked that a lot of "transgressive art" (you fill in the blank there) is just a variant of today's off-the-shelf, drug-addled, clout-chasing "gangsta" posturing: As a creator, you can't just coast on intrigue forever, and you're not half as fascinating as you believe yourself to be just because you were shameless enough to exploit something to create a sensation versus dialog. I've been tempted to do this myself before, so I know what I'm talking about, haha. No ID special for you!
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ust a variant of today's off-the-shelf, drug-addled, clout-chasing "gangsta" posturing
interesting point, never thought of it like that. a glorification of immorality, culture of threat and intimidation, group think, etc..
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Turnoffs: dishonesty and lack of effort. That basically means I hate everything that postures as something it's not and everything that puts "shit" in its name - shitcore, shitnoise etc. and most HNW. I also dislike stuff done solely on computers, it can almost always be heard that that is the case and it falls in the lack of effort category. Does the dislike for dishonesty mean you must be a nazi (or whatever, put in other ideologies, kinks etc. ad lib.) to deal with it conceptually, then? No, it means that your ideas must spring from genuine interest in a topic, culture or "thing" - it is always easy to hear whether someone is really into it or not. If done out of genuine interest, anything goes. There's no rights and wrongs or ethics involved for me, I like Brethren and Militia equally, although I personally lean more towards the latter politically.
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Quite a small thing, but digital uploads (bandcamp mainly) where what is indexed on the tape/LP as multiple tracks - and often functions as multiple tracks, not one continuous piece - is put up as one digital file. If it was a rip recording, even, I wouldn't mind as much, but can't think of a time this has been the case.
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Extreme drunkenness on stage is a big turn-off in my book. People cutting themselves on stage are also overrated; the shock value disappeared centuries ago.
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guy who sell release you did for their label but you need to email them X time to sent you one single bad dubbed copie & wait months before they shipp or you order stuff from a supposed label guy but he never shipp it .
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Skugghat wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:18 am Extreme drunkenness on stage is a big turn-off in my book. People cutting themselves on stage are also overrated; the shock value disappeared centuries ago.
Someone at one of the NoiseFest's in Victoria in the late 2000's cut himself while playing and I think he actually didn't mean to do as much damage as he did. He just kept bleeding during the set, and he looked a bit confused. Ambulance came and took him to the hospital. Was more just "wow dude uh don't do that??"
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Skugghat wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:18 am Extreme drunkenness on stage is a big turn-off in my book.
Not big or clever but actually one of my favorite things in live noise. :D ..Roger Stella getting his entire quota of artist beers all at once, lining them up in front of his gear and standing with aviator shades staring down the audience and drinking one from each hand, occasionally touching the mixer, then at the end of the set slowly staggering backwards and collapsing against the back wall of the stage where he stayed for the rest of the night. ... or at a Litter Shitter gig, the guy doing the noise being so wasted that he spent half the set turning knobs on my own not-even-plugged-in gear :D ...

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Skugghat wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:18 am Extreme drunkenness on stage is a big turn-off in my book.
On the other hand, extreme drunkenness on stage, by people who aren’t supposed to be there, is always hilarious. Happens all the time in a venue I work with often.
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Skugghat wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:18 am Extreme drunkenness on stage is a big turn-off in my book. People cutting themselves on stage are also overrated; the shock value disappeared centuries ago.
man honestly i really like extreme drunkenness AND cutting/blood/"danger"
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like Anybody can play a set sitting down with their shirt tucked in

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A Rather Recent Turnoff for me has been: Genre Snobs

It is comical that modern day genre snobs really aren’t too different from the PC language police (though most I know would loathe that comparison).

It is also funny that a majority of people who so flippantly promote the credo of “Fuck Art Make Noise” so heavily define their existence inside the perimeters of genre’s created by generations that came before the current era. In truth musical genera’s are just an extension of artistic genera’s such as impressionism, cubism, pop art, exct, ecxt. They were primarily created to describe the popularity and time period of a new artistic movement. Consciously or subconsciously; trying to enforce rules in a genre which was founded on limitless freedom of expression is immediately going to confine you to an artistic time period. Anyone can express themselves anyway they please, but becoming the world’s best impressionist painter in 2022 isn’t exactly going to floor modern art enthusiasts.

Do you think Rites of Spring set out with the idea to create the genre of; post-hardcore, post-punk, screamo, emo, or emotional hardcore? Or were they just another DC punk band trying to expand the perimeters & possibilities of a minimalist genre? Funny how the style of music they played didn’t even really catch on to a broader audience until 15 years later.

When I was in high school: before the term “post-hardcore” was really coined by music magazines & message boards; we called it “emo-core”. It’s a bit semantical but what makes this term pejorative & the other term correct when the artists themselves often reject the genre labels placed on them by “academics”.

To a certain extent I get it. 10 years ago I was a genre snob. In the context of Rock Music I could probably define a category for any guitar based music I listened to. But as I delved deeper into noise & electronic music I realized how much genre was really defined by the marketing / capitalism side of the music industry and not so much by the artists.

Over the last 60 years or so capitalism has used musical genre’s to sell you a subculture & personality type. Malcom McLaren assembled a rock band like Lou Pearlman assembled boybands. Dressed them up like anarchy ken dolls. And they became more popular than any boy band ever. Genre snobbery and “punk cred” are a fucking JOKE when you compare modern day conditions to those of worshiped alt-right shills of punk’s past. Or some junkie that could barely play the instrument they were hired to play. Rock N Roll!
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oZiris wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:37 pm A Rather Recent Turnoff for me has been: Genre Snobs

It is comical that modern day genre snobs really aren’t too different from the PC language police (though most I know would loathe that comparison).

It is also funny that a majority of people who so flippantly promote the credo of “Fuck Art Make Noise” so heavily define their existence inside the perimeters of genre’s created by generations that came before the current era. In truth musical genera’s are just an extension of artistic genera’s such as impressionism, cubism, pop art, exct, ecxt. They were primarily created to describe the popularity and time period of a new artistic movement. Consciously or subconsciously; trying to enforce rules in a genre which was founded on limitless freedom of expression is immediately going to confine you to an artistic time period. Anyone can express themselves anyway they please, but becoming the world’s best impressionist painter in 2022 isn’t exactly going to floor modern art enthusiasts.

Do you think Rites of Spring set out with the idea to create the genre of; post-hardcore, post-punk, screamo, emo, or emotional hardcore? Or were they just another DC punk band trying to expand the perimeters & possibilities of a minimalist genre? Funny how the style of music they played didn’t even really catch on to a broader audience until 15 years later.

When I was in high school: before the term “post-hardcore” was really coined by music magazines & message boards; we called it “emo-core”. It’s a bit semantical but what makes this term pejorative & the other term correct when the artists themselves often reject the genre labels placed on them by “academics”.

To a certain extent I get it. 10 years ago I was a genre snob. In the context of Rock Music I could probably define a category for any guitar based music I listened to. But as I delved deeper into noise & electronic music I realized how much genre was really defined by the marketing / capitalism side of the music industry and not so much by the artists.

Over the last 60 years or so capitalism has used musical genre’s to sell you a subculture & personality type. Malcom McLaren assembled a rock band like Lou Pearlman assembled boybands. Dressed them up like anarchy ken dolls. And they became more popular than any boy band ever. Genre snobbery and “punk cred” are a fucking JOKE when you compare modern day conditions to those of worshiped alt-right shills of punk’s past. Or some junkie that could barely play the instrument they were hired to play. Rock N Roll!
AGREED. I really think there needs to be more connection between "genres" as majority of the "weirder" music we are all into is so small and insular, that do we really need to be putting up more roadblocks between us as artists?
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Agree with the above in essence but feel we must acknowledge the reality in which lots of 'genreless' stuff is an atrocious aesthetic failure. For a lot of these people, the act of smashing generic restraints to bits is simply placing one poorly observed trope next to another. Surfing on the fact they're doing it rather than what the result of their having done it is. Over and over again. To rapturous applause, often.

So yeah, snobbishness fuck off, but also, please, bad music.
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adult human wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:15 pm So yeah, snobbishness fuck off, but also, please, bad music.
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It's nice to see people being honest in here about what they hate. But if you take away all the blood, edgy-ness, murder, corpses, rape, war, gore, bad vibes, acting insane onstage, etc. then I find noise to be kinda boring. It would be like listening to death metal without those themes. Or going to a horror movie, and instead getting a lecture by some church lady as to why we're all naughty for being there lol
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thedemonfeedback666 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:43 pm It's nice to see people being honest in here about what they hate. But if you take away all the blood, edgy-ness, murder, corpses, rape, war, gore, bad vibes, acting insane onstage, etc. then I find noise to be kinda boring.
I would argue you don't actually like noise as much as the idea of it in that case. God forbid noise for noise sake.
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Tinnitustimulus wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:20 pm
thedemonfeedback666 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:43 pm It's nice to see people being honest in here about what they hate. But if you take away all the blood, edgy-ness, murder, corpses, rape, war, gore, bad vibes, acting insane onstage, etc. then I find noise to be kinda boring.
I would argue you don't actually like noise as much as the idea of it in that case. God forbid noise for noise sake.
Just because you want noise to be sanitized, it doesn't mean people who enjoy vile content don't actually like noise. I have a massive collection of TNB & The Haters & Incapacitants, & other projects who make noise for noise's sake. Love that stuff. One of my projects is like that. I just love murder and rape and hate and war and gore, as content.

If I said I love horror movies because of their content, not their film grain, would you argue that I only enjoy the idea of movies, not actually watching them? Just say that stuff makes you uncomfortable. No one is going to judge you for it.
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I am having a serious deja vu moment right now. Legitimately, like when you feel like there's a glitch in the Matrix. I feel like I've read the above sentiments already, and even decided against adding my two cents because trying to type on a phone sucks.

Anyway, noise is life. I fart therefore I am. It's deeply cosmic shit. All is noise, even music! It's proof that we're ALIVE! The rest is affectation.
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