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thedemonfeedback666 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:53 pm
Tinnitustimulus wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:20 pm
thedemonfeedback666 wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:43 pm It's nice to see people being honest in here about what they hate. But if you take away all the blood, edgy-ness, murder, corpses, rape, war, gore, bad vibes, acting insane onstage, etc. then I find noise to be kinda boring.
I would argue you don't actually like noise as much as the idea of it in that case. God forbid noise for noise sake.
Just because you want noise to be sanitized, it doesn't mean people who enjoy vile content don't actually like noise. I have a massive collection of TNB & The Haters & Incapacitants, & other projects who make noise for noise's sake. Love that stuff. One of my projects is like that. I just love murder and rape and hate and war and gore, as content.

If I said I love horror movies because of their content, not their film grain, would you argue that I only enjoy the idea of movies, not actually watching them? Just say that stuff makes you uncomfortable. No one is going to judge you for it.
Very interesting you backed down on your claims… as if I had a point you had to admit to. And yes, noise is not a horror movie content wise. What is content for you anyways, the packaging? The titles? Certainly not the noise itself. Does proiekt hat sound as good and equal to deathkey from slapping a swastika on both?
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Tinnitustimulus wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:42 pm
thedemonfeedback666 wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:53 pm
Tinnitustimulus wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:20 pm

I would argue you don't actually like noise as much as the idea of it in that case. God forbid noise for noise sake.
Just because you want noise to be sanitized, it doesn't mean people who enjoy vile content don't actually like noise. I have a massive collection of TNB & The Haters & Incapacitants, & other projects who make noise for noise's sake. Love that stuff. One of my projects is like that. I just love murder and rape and hate and war and gore, as content.

If I said I love horror movies because of their content, not their film grain, would you argue that I only enjoy the idea of movies, not actually watching them? Just say that stuff makes you uncomfortable. No one is going to judge you for it.
Very interesting you backed down on your claims… as if I had a point you had to admit to. And yes, noise is not a horror movie content wise. What is content for you anyways, the packaging? The titles? Certainly not the noise itself. Does proiekt hat sound as good and equal to deathkey from slapping a swastika on both?
Who's talking about Deathkey & swastikas? And who is backing down? Why are you so upset that a random person online enjoys edgy material? I know this is probably a "welcome to the internet moment", but you're coming off pretty pathetic right now. You're bringing all this energy and anger, and even (in a very mealy mouthed and indirect way, childish even) calling me a poser and a nazi (if you got something to say, say it). If extreme content keeps you awake at night, then don't indulge in it. There are a lot of content-less or soft and safe noise projects for you to enjoy. No one is going to think badly of you. Good noise is good noise, but good noise with lyrics or cover art & song titles about serial killers & rapists & murderers & war ups the ante, imo. Especially with some nasty samples thrown in. I really enjoy that stuff, and it does make the noise more enjoyable for me. FOR ME. If you don't like that shit, avoid it. And if you have something to say, speak clearly. Don't just bring up Deathkey or other boogiemen lol
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I like edgy stuff too... Why don't we see intestines and exploding heads in anime anymore?!

MAKE ANIME GORY AGAIN!
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And now as you are offended, have I said anything about being against the themes you are talking about? My point is not comparing you to deathkey but comparing deathkey to proiekt hat.

Maybe you should listen to some proiekt hat to see where Im getting at? I would say Proiekt Hat is similar themed to Deathkey but maybe more subversive. Perhaps tact is the word. Never seen him on any boogeyman list but def does sketchy themes enough to keep anonymous. A webradio show a friend would play him and without the context I rather enjoyed Proiekt Hat that would be played. Now Deathkey just sounds bad from what I heard, a lot of timestretching, its kind of just lazy from what i can remember.

Also you brought up the Haters which I think is interesting in the terms of BDSM artwork. You can tell when someone uses it in their work because they enjoy it or participate in it or when its used for schlock. Haters are definitely the former tho they are also one of the first and at a time it was not a google search away. The cover of Drunk on Decay is the performance of the damn thing. Also I will admit I cant listen to The Whipping in its entirety but I like the concept of it. Nothing to do with its album art of course and everything with its experience of listening to it. If I wanted that experience I would have just whipped or be whipped by someone for an hour instead.

Also, noise with lyrics? Are you talking about Power Electronics? I can just say I dont like most power electronics and call it a day. Much less abstract than noise, much less to do with what I am saying with listening.
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Number one dislike and complete turn off (not that I really like to harp on the negatives, but lately...)

A charlatan masquerading as a noise artist only to discredit and talk shit about 95% of the artists in that genre & scene (for over a decade). Fuck authoritarians and their divide and conquer bullshit! I can feel however I want about an artist or album but I’m intelligent enough to know more noise artists preforming & recording is a plus for the entire genre.

It’s funny how the number one way this personality type promotes their own relevancy is looking for the flaws of other artists instead of trying to really improve their own technical skills, recordings, & live sets. Talking shit & baiting arguments, so you can play the victim. To further some misogynistic stereotype. What makes noise such a unique genre in the current era; you are judged internationally on your recordings & performances. Not on your cult of personality-disorder. Please tell us all how it’s supposed to sound. I’m positive those rules & labels have yielded an endless creative well for you. Right?

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Tinnitustimulus wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:19 pm Also, noise with lyrics? Are you talking about Power Electronics? I can just say I dont like most power electronics and call it a day. Much less abstract than noise, much less to do with what I am saying with listening.
But who says that power electronics even needs to have lyrics? I recall reading reviews of 90s Merzbow where they call what he is doing "power electronics."
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I did not say anything about power electronics not having lyrics, Im talking about noise having lyrics. Instead, perhaps you could find the lyrics to I Will Lead You To Glorious Times. I cant make them out quite well but my one of my fave merzbow tracks. I cant think any others with lyrics. Is that PE? i dont know but it would have been a better argument, if thats what you wanted to do with me.

Also what power electronics was in early nineties is different than what it is now. Tellus Cassette Power Electronics Compilation from 1986 Power Electronics has a very broad range of things where I think the term fitted easier than noise at the time. Merzbow was probably the only noisey thing on that compilation. Things are very much put prettily into boxes now.

None of this are things I hate btw
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Bubble-Congeries wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:02 pm I like edgy stuff too... Why don't we see intestines and exploding heads in anime anymore?!

MAKE ANIME GORY AGAIN!
i like your posts and point of view
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Tapes with one side much shorter than the other so you have to FFW for like 5 mins to get to the beginning again (tho have been responsible for one or two of these myself)

One sided tapes... what's even the point? Especially if pro-dubbed, it's not even cheaper! Just put the same material on both sides, or backwards on the B side or something, or do a split!
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PE live visuals with default windows movie maker 'old film' effect over random war footage from the internet, and without any black leader at the end, so you see their desktop and gmail just as they're nearly finished the last track :D
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Cementimental wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:20 pm PE live visuals with default windows movie maker 'old film' effect over random war footage from the internet, and without any black leader at the end, so you see their desktop and gmail just as they're nearly finished the last track :D
oh my god this made me laugh so hard! YOU DONT LIKE THAT? im cakcling
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Cementimental wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 3:17 pm Tapes with one side much shorter than the other so you have to FFW for like 5 mins to get to the beginning again (tho have been responsible for one or two of these myself)

One sided tapes... what's even the point? Especially if pro-dubbed, it's not even cheaper! Just put the same material on both sides, or backwards on the B side or something, or do a split!
Yes on both of these, especially the single-sided tapes. It feels like such a waste.
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